North Korea, what path will you walk now?

By | December 19, 2011
I'm a bit mixed on this topic. Yes, it is a chance for the North Korean people. But at the same time the loss of one if the few leaders able to hold off the pressure from the US. And one of the last surviving communist countries today.

Reshared post from +Tom Eigelsbach

With the death of "Supreme Leader" Kim Jong Il, I think it's a good time to repost this very informative documentary on North Korea. If you haven't seen this, it's certainly worth the watch.

4 thoughts on “North Korea, what path will you walk now?

  1. Karsten Wegmeyer

    the idea behind communism is good, but it is based on an idea of menkind that does not exist in reality.

    I had an socialistic teacher at school for politics (i am from the former western part of germany) and we read parts of Marx and we looked on the different approaches in the USSR, DDR, Jugoslavia,China, Tschechoslovakia, in Poland and so on.

    Those approaches are completly different in some cases. The willing had been there. And all lost finally and in every aproach it has been a political class who behaved even whorse then the evilst capitalist they warned for.

    Communism won't work and the reason for that point is always menkind itself. Our nature is not altruistic enough. Evolution makes us to want more, to have more, to be better and so our nature works against communism, We are not capable in practice what we all want in theory ( a better world for really all of us, enough to eat,drink and live on the whole world). This is sad, but unfortunately true!

    North Corea is a very good example on that topic. You do have a poltical class missing nothing and you do have the working people lacking almost everything. The comunists party preferes to buy luxury for itself or to create new weapons and missuses there working class as no western democracy would even think of.
    You can say "you love communism" here, try to say the opposite in north corea!

  2. Sophie Wrobel

    +Laurent Smith Agree completely. I'm sorry to see communism go because of the completely different mentality that it has created in the North Korean people – they can notice things in capitalism that we can't, because we are biased growing up with this system. Discussion would highlight the problems between the different ideaologies.

    Any system has a flaw; as Indians say, 'rules are made to be bent.' So any system ever created will not be a perfect system, regardless of intent.

    What I also find interesting is the concept of perceived need. As you've noticed, some people can get along happily with relatively little worry and relatively little resources, others seem to need to consume and aren't happy. I think the big difference is what you value: do you value things, or do you value people? When I look around at things for my son, I realize how much capitalism and consumerism have modified western expectations – from his behaviour, he doesn't want toys, he wants human attention. Toys are just a replacement for people not wanting to interact – be it because of social expectations, upbringing, philosophy, necessity, or whatever. And within the realm of attention replacement is the further evil of consumerism in creating toys that attract the interest of parents, with 'educational' toys and sets of toys that only interest the parents and the toy manufacturer's pocketbooks; real learning takes place by human interaction and interaction with natural (and other 'normal') everyday objects.

  3. Les Piffles

    I have to admit I've been fascinated by Communism and therefore North Korea for quite some time.
    The Communism makes very good sense as an ideology but, in practice, it's always gone awfully wrong. It's a shame that, throughout history, Communism has never been able to be applied in the absence of corruption, dictatorship, sensorship, and the establishment of an elite class, which is paradoxically, contrary to the ideology itself.
    I find myself thinking that Communism repeatedly failed because the worst people (and Kim Jong Il is a prime example) ended up in power. I don't see an incompatibility between Communism and Democracy, nor am I ready to accept that our nature is against sharing.
    Our capitalistic society (in Western Europe at least) is certainly just as wrong. The idea of amassing wealth for oneself, controlling every last little detail, and being pushed to consume more and more is totally contrary to sunstained developement and leads to a hectic life-style. Throughout my professional travels, I've come across peoples who don't seem to care about posessions and share all without concern, believing things will turn out relatively fairly naturally, in the end, which they usually do. It's a very harmonious and relaxing way to live, more in line with Human Nature, I optimistically believe.
    Western governments do have the major advantage however, that, when the wrong people get to power (which they often do), they enjoy a limited amount of it, and are pretty sure to be out of a job after 5 years.

  4. Karsten Wegmeyer

    communism is dead! History has shown more then 10 different approaches to implement communism and it didn't work. It can't work, as the comunistic partys that rise up to tear down classes always establish a privileged communists-class.

    Human Nature is not altruistic and not communistically orientated. Whe should learn that from history. It's a nice idea that does not work!

    Kim Jong Il itself accepted that Millions of people are starving, he reduced their medical care and he and is family lived quite luxurios in a starving country. What a humanitarian Abyss!

    It is good that he is gone. May North Coreas Regime implode silently and may there come up hope and wealth for the North Corean people and perhaps a chance for a reunion.

    With King Jong Il another big Lie has left the planet and the world has become a little better today!


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